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		<title>By: catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I very much like your point in the rocket example. Perhaps it&#039;s more about knowing enough about another discipline to be able to draw on it meaningfully and usefully - being able to engage experts and get things out of them they didn&#039;t know they had. I realise on rereading that I let fly with something of a &quot;pet hate rant&quot; and I am not really suggesting it&#039;s a bad idea all round. But I AM saying it&#039;s a very bad idea when it happens in a slipshod, arrogant or trivial way. 

&quot;Editor&quot;, I agree that design/designers frequently get little recognition for what they do. They are often spectacularly bad at explaining it! They don&#039;t always seem to be particularly aware of what they do and how their approach differs from what others do, so they miss the opportunity to &#039;explain&#039; design as being more than &#039;making stuff look nice&#039;. Which brings us right back to the book, I guess.
(Thanks for the email btw and for rescuing my original comment from your spam filter!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I very much like your point in the rocket example. Perhaps it&#8217;s more about knowing enough about another discipline to be able to draw on it meaningfully and usefully &#8211; being able to engage experts and get things out of them they didn&#8217;t know they had. I realise on rereading that I let fly with something of a &#8220;pet hate rant&#8221; and I am not really suggesting it&#8217;s a bad idea all round. But I AM saying it&#8217;s a very bad idea when it happens in a slipshod, arrogant or trivial way. </p>
<p>&#8220;Editor&#8221;, I agree that design/designers frequently get little recognition for what they do. They are often spectacularly bad at explaining it! They don&#8217;t always seem to be particularly aware of what they do and how their approach differs from what others do, so they miss the opportunity to &#8216;explain&#8217; design as being more than &#8216;making stuff look nice&#8217;. Which brings us right back to the book, I guess.<br />
(Thanks for the email btw and for rescuing my original comment from your spam filter!)</p>
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		<title>By: David Sherwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sherwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have started to separate &quot;design thinking&quot; from &quot;design making&quot; in how I talk about this subject, because I think that doing the actual making and tinkering is where you learn (through the work). And engaging with the latter repeatedly is where you &lt;strong&gt;can&lt;/strong&gt; become an expert over a career. Designers are measured by what they make, not by what they think. And no matter how many rockets I build, I&#039;m not going to be a good rocket scientist. But after a few years of effort, I may make a rocket concept that a rocket engineer hadn&#039;t thought of, and they can steal from my thinking to make a novel rocket idea (with their much deeper insight into how to make rockets.) Being very good as a design generalist or thinker comes at the expense of being an expert at the creation of pretty much anything. As a result, you find yourself drawing on the talents of experts, whether it be in the realm of aesthetics (hiring an illustrator, photographer, or writer), development (technologist, architect, etc.), research (anthropologist, statistician), and so forth. 

I do agree that it can be quite arrogant to assume that delving into new areas of expertise quickly will make you an expert in fulfilling tasks in that discipline. But spending time expanding your familiarity with a wider range of disciplines makes you much better at &lt;strong&gt;planning&lt;/strong&gt; how those disciplines are best used, by the best talent, to solve a client&#039;s problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have started to separate &#8220;design thinking&#8221; from &#8220;design making&#8221; in how I talk about this subject, because I think that doing the actual making and tinkering is where you learn (through the work). And engaging with the latter repeatedly is where you <strong>can</strong> become an expert over a career. Designers are measured by what they make, not by what they think. And no matter how many rockets I build, I&#8217;m not going to be a good rocket scientist. But after a few years of effort, I may make a rocket concept that a rocket engineer hadn&#8217;t thought of, and they can steal from my thinking to make a novel rocket idea (with their much deeper insight into how to make rockets.) Being very good as a design generalist or thinker comes at the expense of being an expert at the creation of pretty much anything. As a result, you find yourself drawing on the talents of experts, whether it be in the realm of aesthetics (hiring an illustrator, photographer, or writer), development (technologist, architect, etc.), research (anthropologist, statistician), and so forth. </p>
<p>I do agree that it can be quite arrogant to assume that delving into new areas of expertise quickly will make you an expert in fulfilling tasks in that discipline. But spending time expanding your familiarity with a wider range of disciplines makes you much better at <strong>planning</strong> how those disciplines are best used, by the best talent, to solve a client&#8217;s problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read Glimmer either (I didn&#039;t write the review on this one) and I do partially agree with you. Even when you say &quot;It’s time designers stopped thinking they are &#039;special’ in this regard and begin to acknowledge the expertise that lies in other disciplines and not trivialise this expertise by the claiming parity with it.&quot;

If only that were the case in the other direction. Designers regularly face the dismissal of their abilities either through the same notion of &#039;talent&#039; (as in &quot;it&#039;s easy for you because you’re talented,&quot; thus negating the hard work that goes into designing), through the idea that everyone can do it and/or the technology does it all for us. There is very little respect for design from other disciplines across the range from business management through to the sciences and even in the arts (where it&#039;s too commercial). Yet everyone encounters, is affected by and consumes many design artifacts every day.

I&#039;m not sure designers in this regard are claiming that they have the same skills as the experts in another field, but I do think it&#039;s not unreasonable to suggest design has parity with those other disciplines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read Glimmer either (I didn&#8217;t write the review on this one) and I do partially agree with you. Even when you say &#8220;It’s time designers stopped thinking they are &#8217;special’ in this regard and begin to acknowledge the expertise that lies in other disciplines and not trivialise this expertise by the claiming parity with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>If only that were the case in the other direction. Designers regularly face the dismissal of their abilities either through the same notion of &#8216;talent&#8217; (as in &#8220;it&#8217;s easy for you because you’re talented,&#8221; thus negating the hard work that goes into designing), through the idea that everyone can do it and/or the technology does it all for us. There is very little respect for design from other disciplines across the range from business management through to the sciences and even in the arts (where it&#8217;s too commercial). Yet everyone encounters, is affected by and consumes many design artifacts every day.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure designers in this regard are claiming that they have the same skills as the experts in another field, but I do think it&#8217;s not unreasonable to suggest design has parity with those other disciplines.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read Glimmer so my comment is in response to comments you have made in your review.  

First, there is a kind of hagiography that goes on around &quot;Designers&quot; and &quot;design thinking&quot;. It implies that designers have a special gift, that the way they think is unique and other disciplines don&#039;t or can&#039;t do this. Yet we believe we can teach design. This implies that design thinking is a learned skill. The openness to ideas, the willingness to explore, to propose multiple solutions, to be uncomfortable with the haziness of the design problem and the process, is something that is actively taught to them. I taught design for a decade so believe I can say this with some basis.

Second: You talk about the &quot;T&quot; person that designers need to be. The idea that designers can branch out into any field (e.g. anthropology) and &quot;do it well&quot; has long struck me as insufferably arrogant. It&#039;s an extraordinary leap to think that by virtue of being a Designer one can master another discipline without committing the same time and effort to studying it that a subject matter expert has put in. Do we really believe that because we &quot;think as designers&quot; we can circumvent the concentrated study and immersion in the topic that an anthropologist with a PhD has undergone? Architects seem to be particularly arrogant in this respect. Borrowing ideas willy-nilly, usually only superficially understood, from another profession does not make one any kind of expert in that subject.

Design thinking is a very good approach to complex problems that is equally applicable to a wide range of fields, but it certainly doesn&#039;t confer mystical powers on the designer.  It&#039;s time designers stopped thinking they are &#039;special&#039; in this regard and begin to acknowledge the expertise that lies in other disciplines and not trivialise this expertise by the claiming parity with it. Use it, yes; learn about it, yes; draw on it for inspiration, yes; but do not mistake this for having gained expertise in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read Glimmer so my comment is in response to comments you have made in your review.  </p>
<p>First, there is a kind of hagiography that goes on around &#8220;Designers&#8221; and &#8220;design thinking&#8221;. It implies that designers have a special gift, that the way they think is unique and other disciplines don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t do this. Yet we believe we can teach design. This implies that design thinking is a learned skill. The openness to ideas, the willingness to explore, to propose multiple solutions, to be uncomfortable with the haziness of the design problem and the process, is something that is actively taught to them. I taught design for a decade so believe I can say this with some basis.</p>
<p>Second: You talk about the &#8220;T&#8221; person that designers need to be. The idea that designers can branch out into any field (e.g. anthropology) and &#8220;do it well&#8221; has long struck me as insufferably arrogant. It&#8217;s an extraordinary leap to think that by virtue of being a Designer one can master another discipline without committing the same time and effort to studying it that a subject matter expert has put in. Do we really believe that because we &#8220;think as designers&#8221; we can circumvent the concentrated study and immersion in the topic that an anthropologist with a PhD has undergone? Architects seem to be particularly arrogant in this respect. Borrowing ideas willy-nilly, usually only superficially understood, from another profession does not make one any kind of expert in that subject.</p>
<p>Design thinking is a very good approach to complex problems that is equally applicable to a wide range of fields, but it certainly doesn&#8217;t confer mystical powers on the designer.  It&#8217;s time designers stopped thinking they are &#8217;special&#8217; in this regard and begin to acknowledge the expertise that lies in other disciplines and not trivialise this expertise by the claiming parity with it. Use it, yes; learn about it, yes; draw on it for inspiration, yes; but do not mistake this for having gained expertise in it.</p>
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